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are trying to blame in all on romney. it reminds me of what we democrats winter after 1972. the late and beloved note george mcgovern no longer with us was blamed for the landslide a 72. we lost 80, 84, in '88 and they're still blaming the candid it's. it was not the candid, and it was not the way he communicated. it was the message. it was -- it took bill clinton to redo the map and barack obamacare continued that legacy. the reason why the hispanic vote went for broke, is because bit romney made him look liberal n immigration policy. did not follow george bush's policies and innovation, or you might ve been president. it is about content, not the communication. lou: is not one to answer my question on the racial divide. i will try with you. >> well, i think the numbers speak for themselves. the fact that the electorate this time, the change in the percentages among white voters. if the romney campaign got al, the percentages they thought they needed to we might be talking about a different result . much bigger story to
are trying to blame in all on romney. it reminds me of what we democrats winter after 1972. the late and beloved note george mcgovern no longer with us was blamed for the landslide a 72. we lost 80, 84, in '88 and they're still blaming the candid it's. it was not the candid, and it was not the way he communicated. it was the message. it was -- it took bill clinton to redo the map and barack obamacare continued that legacy. the reason why the hispanic vote went for broke, is because bit romney...
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tagg romney said he wanted to be press less than anyone else in the world. if he could have found someone else to make the run, he would have stepped aside. >> i do know that there were very serious discussions and concerns at the time before he decided to run and he looked at the field of competition and saw it was pretty weak and his family pushed him to say that he would be the best person given the way the field has taken shape. >> nbc's garrett hak spent nearly a year and a half covering the romney campaign. >> in between campaigns romney was definitely stung by the loss, but he never really took his eye off the ball. he wrote a book about his own personal politics and he used his pac to fund other republican candidates and that's the kind of thing you do if you think you might run again, keep your options open. >> the next president of the united states. >> reporter: if he was reluctant to run, mr. romney seems to have been under some pressure at home to seriously rally recover. last summer ann urged her husband to enter the race despite his failed bid
tagg romney said he wanted to be press less than anyone else in the world. if he could have found someone else to make the run, he would have stepped aside. >> i do know that there were very serious discussions and concerns at the time before he decided to run and he looked at the field of competition and saw it was pretty weak and his family pushed him to say that he would be the best person given the way the field has taken shape. >> nbc's garrett hak spent nearly a year and a...
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. >> two words from mitt romney during a primary reverberated through to november. the issue was his plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers e. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and those people would leave the country. >> the concept of self-deportation by undocumented workers was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics but it surely greased the skids. >> also in the cat fwoir of moments where romney wanted a mulligan there was this. >> 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. 47% who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. >> romney called his remarks completely wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. >> on the flip side -- >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's vp day may have been the best moment. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. >> how many moments are there in an hour and a half? the president
. >> two words from mitt romney during a primary reverberated through to november. the issue was his plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers e. >> people who have come here illegally won't be able to find work and those people would leave the country. >> the concept of self-deportation by undocumented workers was not by itself responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics but it surely greased the skids. >> also in the cat fwoir of moments...
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. >>> comments from mitt romney's oldest son that has gotten people talking. it has been seven weeks since the election and there has been a steady stream of details coming from both campaigns. now comes the revolution from tagg romney that his father had no desire to run for president again, at least at first. we have more on that story from boston. >> i have just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> reporter: as mitt romney, members of his campaign staff and top gop leaders continue assessing how he lost the election to a vulnerable incumbent president, the oldest son of the former massachusetts governor is raising eyebrows about his dad's initial reluctance to make a second white house run. in a story published in the "boston globe" tagg romney said his father, quote, wanted to be president less than anyone. he would have been ecstatic to step aside. "boston globe" reporter michael krenish interviewed tagg romney. >> i know there were serious discussions at the time before he decided to run and he looked at the field of competition
. >>> comments from mitt romney's oldest son that has gotten people talking. it has been seven weeks since the election and there has been a steady stream of details coming from both campaigns. now comes the revolution from tagg romney that his father had no desire to run for president again, at least at first. we have more on that story from boston. >> i have just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> reporter: as mitt romney, members of his...
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in case you hadn't heard, president obama defeated mitt romney last night. we know this for sure despite the fact that the returns from florida still have not been counted. some people had to wait five, six hours to vote there. what goes on in florida? they had four years to fix this and -- four years to fix things before that. [ laughter ] we need to make sure florida never gets the olympics. [ laughter ] [ applause ] the president got 303 electoral votes to romney's 206. obama led among women and minority voters while romney led among white means and banana republic mannequins. romney lost his home state of massachusetts. paul ryan lost his home state of wisconsin. i would not want to be paul ryan's shake weight today. probably getting a vigorous. a lot of people are wondering what the president will do differently in his second term. i'm hoping obama announces this will be the black half of his presidency. [ applause ] the last four years were pretty white. i'd like to see him put a little more funk in it. i'd like to see him turn this mother out for a ch
in case you hadn't heard, president obama defeated mitt romney last night. we know this for sure despite the fact that the returns from florida still have not been counted. some people had to wait five, six hours to vote there. what goes on in florida? they had four years to fix this and -- four years to fix things before that. [ laughter ] we need to make sure florida never gets the olympics. [ laughter ] [ applause ] the president got 303 electoral votes to romney's 206. obama led among women...
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romney didn't do enough to court hispanic voters. is it really illegal immigration the problem or larger problem. >> larger problem. a report came out that looked at four battleground states. we didn't get all the conservative hispanics. you look at these hispanic voters. a lot of them tend to be pro-life. they tend to be pro-traditional marriage. they are for the bush tax cuts. at lo of them are small business people. even those folks who agree with the republican party on those issues they didn't deal with mitt romney. not just illegal immigration. are we connecting them with with our conservative policies which they agree with? >> laura: i think republicans are looking at the bush administration and thinking well, look, he did win two terms. is he a two term republican president and he is becoming more endearing to people since he is out of office. but we also have to remember that when he left office, we had lost the house, the senate, we turned over the white house for the most left wing person ever to go into the white house in
romney didn't do enough to court hispanic voters. is it really illegal immigration the problem or larger problem. >> larger problem. a report came out that looked at four battleground states. we didn't get all the conservative hispanics. you look at these hispanic voters. a lot of them tend to be pro-life. they tend to be pro-traditional marriage. they are for the bush tax cuts. at lo of them are small business people. even those folks who agree with the republican party on those issues...
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>> mitt romney. okay. who is he, gingrich. john: good for her, should she vote? too often instinct is wrong, especially when it comes to politics and economics. it is a problem we use instinct that evolved when we lived in tribes to make decisions about our complex economy. the task of economics is demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they can imagine they have designed. opinion polls show that americans are dissatisfied with government. congress has a 12% of approval rating, people should be suspicious. central planners failed in soviet union, and cuba, and america's public schools and post was owasonoffice, however,r crisis hits, natural instinct is to say, there ought to be a law. government must do something. that is what i used to think. i learned in my years of reporting, news stories should draw attention to a terrible problem, homelessness, crack cocaine, people spending too much time on internet, not enough time on internet, whatever the problem there was usually one answer, government should act. it seem like common sense, that is f
>> mitt romney. okay. who is he, gingrich. john: good for her, should she vote? too often instinct is wrong, especially when it comes to politics and economics. it is a problem we use instinct that evolved when we lived in tribes to make decisions about our complex economy. the task of economics is demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they can imagine they have designed. opinion polls show that americans are dissatisfied with government. congress has a 12% of approval...
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romney was winning. >> you will get your chance in a moment. i'm still speak. >> mine is not as big as yours. >> you said in the rose garden it was an act of terror. >> can you say that louder? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> the binders full. >> we also have fewer bayonets. you say them louder and somehow that makes a difference. >> all tied up. our brand-new numbers in the race for president. >> here's old moderate mitt. i missed you these last few years. >> if you can't change washington from inside the white house, let's get you the plane ticket back to chicago you earned. >> voting is the best revenge. >> for revenge i asked the american people to vote for love of country. >> election day, america. >> people are choosing on the direction of the country. >> just four hours from now, the polls will close. >> it's too close to call for virginia and florida. >> pennsylvania has been held by president obama and so far not exactly the way the night that i think romney would hope for. >> ohio. president barack obama remains president of th
romney was winning. >> you will get your chance in a moment. i'm still speak. >> mine is not as big as yours. >> you said in the rose garden it was an act of terror. >> can you say that louder? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> the binders full. >> we also have fewer bayonets. you say them louder and somehow that makes a difference. >> all tied up. our brand-new numbers in the race for president. >> here's old moderate mitt. i missed...
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i believe the reason to that goes to something that mitt romney's brother said about him, scott romney. the older brother of mitt romney told pbs this year about mitt, i think he believes he's the only person in this position who can straighten out this country. there was this belief that mitt had that it was self-evident that he must be president, that he's the only one that can save the country from barack obama. and it was evident in the fact that it didn't bother him to change everything about himself, everything about his past, everything about his former beliefs to repudiate his governorship, whatever it took, because he had this belief, as did ann romney, as did his kids, that he was desperate to become our president. >> 700 nationwide that romney had for a presidential campaign just kind of a mazes me. i want to go on to another thing in the globe. it's beth meyers. she was worried about the campaign's appeal to women voters. she says to the globe, i wish i had expressed my deep concern more vociferously at that point. this was may/june when they really went on the offense, mey
i believe the reason to that goes to something that mitt romney's brother said about him, scott romney. the older brother of mitt romney told pbs this year about mitt, i think he believes he's the only person in this position who can straighten out this country. there was this belief that mitt had that it was self-evident that he must be president, that he's the only one that can save the country from barack obama. and it was evident in the fact that it didn't bother him to change everything...
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neil: do you think, and this is mentioned by mitt romney a lot. you know that you are going to do things differently? dubai that? >> everybody talks about reducing taxes because they want more capital to grow their business. but it's also reulations. businesses are confronted at the township and city level. >> here in chicago, you need 161 licenses to open up the business. >> if you open up a job shop, you have to have a license to give them a bath. it's ridiculous. whcan't we consolidate some of these things and reduce the bureaucracy? it isn't about the people collecting anything but a paycheck. neil: they must realize that the more they push this, the more it it endangers the economy and their very jobs are online. >> you would think so, when you? there is a lot of evidence that says those people inside the beltway are living in a bubble. washington dc is the only city in the united states that has had taken continuous growthh >> what about when gas comes down? >> you have a gas situation where you have $4000 and their wages have only gone up a
neil: do you think, and this is mentioned by mitt romney a lot. you know that you are going to do things differently? dubai that? >> everybody talks about reducing taxes because they want more capital to grow their business. but it's also reulations. businesses are confronted at the township and city level. >> here in chicago, you need 161 licenses to open up the business. >> if you open up a job shop, you have to have a license to give them a bath. it's ridiculous. whcan't we...
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was it mitt romney? don't bet on it. the real boss is a man other woman in the back row of a tea party meeting. the angry one who stands up and scalds him. it's that angry voice rising up from the back of the room that haunts the tea party-backed republican. do they want to be the person who voted with the party leadership? or, worse yet, the democratic president? or do they want to vote against all of that? no taxes? no deals, no compromises. no nothing. period. this is the wall that those of the tea party have raised up. they can't vote for what they campaigned against, spending money on government. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts right now. >> tonight, in new york city, welcome to "politics nation" second annual revvie awards. it's the best and the worst in politics, 2012. look, all the big stars are on the red carpet. donald trump is in the unreality show category. paul ryan's pumped and ready to go. what's with the hat there? >> and what's an awards
was it mitt romney? don't bet on it. the real boss is a man other woman in the back row of a tea party meeting. the angry one who stands up and scalds him. it's that angry voice rising up from the back of the room that haunts the tea party-backed republican. do they want to be the person who voted with the party leadership? or, worse yet, the democratic president? or do they want to vote against all of that? no taxes? no deals, no compromises. no nothing. period. this is the wall that those of...
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that romney would win. why? they assumed it would be wider and older than it was. the enthusiasm numbers favored them but they didn't have enough voters. many republicans bought in to an alternative polling universe. created by some media pollster master mind to depress republican voting. in 2016, much of the emphasis of both parties to match and improve on the obama campaign's data-driven technological juggernaut and a lesson of 2012, don't ignore the data available to anyone with a computer. >>> second bucket, known as the second-term curse. american presidents successfully win re-election to have a rough ride in years five through eight thanks to legislative overreach, sometimes souring relations with congress, personnel problems, unforeseen external events or scandal. there's always an issue for second-term president and the first post election news conference the president himself acknowledged that his predecessors had their version of second-term struggles. >> i don't presume that because i won an ele
that romney would win. why? they assumed it would be wider and older than it was. the enthusiasm numbers favored them but they didn't have enough voters. many republicans bought in to an alternative polling universe. created by some media pollster master mind to depress republican voting. in 2016, much of the emphasis of both parties to match and improve on the obama campaign's data-driven technological juggernaut and a lesson of 2012, don't ignore the data available to anyone with a computer....
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romney ran that great campaign. i think he was, he's not a charismatic person. i think a charismatic republican would have won. i don't think we had a particularly great platform. i don't think we invited in the hispanics the way we should have. but, it'll be -- it'll change. next time, maybe we'll get a better candidate. but in the meantime, life goes on and little by little, our problems will get solved. >> and come election night, at least one of barack obama's problems was solved. best end for democrats to a long, troubled race, re-election. >> coming up, high rollers, honey boo-boo, and the prince who had no pants, when "all the best, all the worst" rolls on. ?o [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just finished a bowl of your new light chicken pot pie soup and it's so rich and creamy... is it really 100 calories? let me put you on webcan... ...lean roasted chicken... and a creamy broth mmm i can still see you. [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. ...but he'd wait for her forever, for any reason, and would always be there with the biggest
romney ran that great campaign. i think he was, he's not a charismatic person. i think a charismatic republican would have won. i don't think we had a particularly great platform. i don't think we invited in the hispanics the way we should have. but, it'll be -- it'll change. next time, maybe we'll get a better candidate. but in the meantime, life goes on and little by little, our problems will get solved. >> and come election night, at least one of barack obama's problems was solved....
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the guy who had the romney/ryan logo tattooed on his face. ever hear of bumper stickers? best fund-raising. both sides stuffed their piggy banks until they squealed. total amount raised by the parties and their supporters, nearly $6 billion or enough to hire 3,600 extra teachers for ten years. just saying. worst running mates, other republican candidates who crushed their hopes about taking the senate with comments about rape and abortion. worst thing in all of politics once again this year, the united states congress, which according to gallup americans trust just slightly more than car dealers. >> the good thing for congress is there's nowhere to go but up. >> best way to keep the polls going down. that delay tactic called sequestration. neither party wanted to address the tough issues before the election, so they kicked the can down the road right to the fiscal cliff, and of course, they blamed each other. best supporters of gay rights, state victories and supreme court consideration for same-sex marriage, the election of the first openly lesbian u.s. senator, and pres
the guy who had the romney/ryan logo tattooed on his face. ever hear of bumper stickers? best fund-raising. both sides stuffed their piggy banks until they squealed. total amount raised by the parties and their supporters, nearly $6 billion or enough to hire 3,600 extra teachers for ten years. just saying. worst running mates, other republican candidates who crushed their hopes about taking the senate with comments about rape and abortion. worst thing in all of politics once again this year,...
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two words from mitt romney reverberated. the issue was a plan to represent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> over time the people would lead the country or self-deport. >> that was not responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics but it surely greased the skids. and moments for a mulligan there was there. >> there are fortiy seven percent that are with the president that believe they are victims. >> they caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flip side. >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's vp day may well have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way that romney had not. >> how many moments are there in an hour and a half. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, providing an opening for romney. >> and finally the top three moments best described as history making politics. a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care. and if that doesn't stri
two words from mitt romney reverberated. the issue was a plan to represent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> over time the people would lead the country or self-deport. >> that was not responsible for romney's dismal showing among hispanics but it surely greased the skids. and moments for a mulligan there was there. >> there are fortiy seven percent that are with the president that believe they are victims. >> they caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of...
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i think a lot of you folks in romney will believe that the republicans hurt romney. >> i think that the debates became a bit of a side show there. if you looked at the volatility of the electorate at the time and how the numbers went up and down based on the big performances and the side show that they became, i think that was something that had a very big effect. >> you could have a large -- >> i think the rnc can step in and take a bit more of a management role in the process and have an impact on the nominee and have that nominee much more viably positioned for a general election. >> a fairly large field, jeb would shrink it a little bit. but, without jeb, i think seven eight of serious people. >> i was going to say, unlike the 12 field, where you're like rick santorum is the last guy standing? i should have went to vegas and been a millionaire. you have real people, paul ryan, you know, the v.p. nominee, bobby gindle, a governor of a state, marko rubio, a senator. you know, you've got real people. >> and let me throw in another name. of the four imbattled republican governors, whoev
i think a lot of you folks in romney will believe that the republicans hurt romney. >> i think that the debates became a bit of a side show there. if you looked at the volatility of the electorate at the time and how the numbers went up and down based on the big performances and the side show that they became, i think that was something that had a very big effect. >> you could have a large -- >> i think the rnc can step in and take a bit more of a management role in the...
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but my argument to you was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god no. you know why? >> you were having none of it. >> do you know why? there have been businessmen who have turned presidents, i think herbert hoover, george bush, the first george bush. businessmen. i think there was a couple of others. lousy presidents. businessmen make lousy presidents. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even imagine thinking about what would happen to the supreme court if a republican were the president, you know? i mean, citizens united is a horrible thing that people can spend and waste this amount of money on elections? think of all the -- you know, the people that could benefit from that money, you know? >> there have been two elections since i've been in america, there have been two elections where one party has had far more financial firepower than the other. one was here in california with meg whitman, one was nationally, but romney clearly had more money than obama. for most of that campaign. in both cases, the one with
but my argument to you was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god no. you know why? >> you were having none of it. >> do you know why? there have been businessmen who have turned presidents, i think herbert hoover, george bush, the first george bush. businessmen. i think there was a couple of others. lousy presidents. businessmen make lousy presidents. >> why have you been so consistently supportive of obama? >> i can't even...
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and then romney came out -- >> and then romney talked. >> with his own words, revealed in september, seemingly and vividly confirming in his own words through his own mouth caught on videotape, all of the worst stereotypes and kas caricatures. >> jonathan capehart, i mean, 47% we focus on that, we forget this is a guy that gets -- the greatest hits for democratic ad makers. i like firing people. do you remember that one? ten others just like that. he won a big victory in florida and the next morning go on a cable news show and say something equally shocking. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> i'm not concerned about the very poor. >> yeah. for me, the 47% video was so -- i mean, it was shocking in its brutal honesty but also how he was able to deride half the country. literally half the kcountry he said, well, i don't have to worry about those folks, they're free loaders lack iing for a handout. they don't know how to learn personal responsibility. and think about these are the people he, one, hopes to lead and, two, you would think he would want their votes. and the next d
and then romney came out -- >> and then romney talked. >> with his own words, revealed in september, seemingly and vividly confirming in his own words through his own mouth caught on videotape, all of the worst stereotypes and kas caricatures. >> jonathan capehart, i mean, 47% we focus on that, we forget this is a guy that gets -- the greatest hits for democratic ad makers. i like firing people. do you remember that one? ten others just like that. he won a big victory in...
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. >> romney will be the nominee. >> republicans are waging war on women. >> is mitt romney from jupiter? >> do i believe the supreme court should overturn roe versus wade? yes. >> i love you, women. >> back in my day, they used bear aspirin for contraceptives. >> the gals put it between their knees, it wasn't that costly. >> a fascinating read. >> i know the debate over this law. >> democrats thought they would lose. the republicans thought they would win. >> i think roberts found the answer. >> when we look back, we'll be better off. >> governor romney's caught on tape moment. >> that shocking tape from romney. >> they will never take responsibility for their lives. >> i'm speaking off the cuff. >> if i were a rich man. >> people want to know who will win who will score the punches. >> presidential candidates battening down the hatches. >> i'm sorry, jim, i will stop the subsidy to pbs. >> i like pbs. i love big bird. >> a zinger every minute. >> brought us binders of women. >> we also have fewer horse and bayonets. >> horses and bayonets. >> oh yeah ♪ ♪ >> i just called president
. >> romney will be the nominee. >> republicans are waging war on women. >> is mitt romney from jupiter? >> do i believe the supreme court should overturn roe versus wade? yes. >> i love you, women. >> back in my day, they used bear aspirin for contraceptives. >> the gals put it between their knees, it wasn't that costly. >> a fascinating read. >> i know the debate over this law. >> democrats thought they would lose. the republicans...
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. >>> surprising comments from mitt romney's oldest son tagg romney. >>> but first the fight over aid for hurricanes sandy victims. the republicans offered ♪ [ male announcer ] you've reached the age where you don't back down from a challenge. this is the age of knowing how to make things happen. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushing, upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. stop taking viagra and call your doctor right away if you experience a sudden decrease or loss in vision or hearing. this is the age of taking action. viagra. talk to your doctor. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind auto
. >>> surprising comments from mitt romney's oldest son tagg romney. >>> but first the fight over aid for hurricanes sandy victims. the republicans offered ♪ [ male announcer ] you've reached the age where you don't back down from a challenge. this is the age of knowing how to make things happen. so, why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. 20 million men already have. ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take...
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and the romney campaign's response was not to find other workers who would attest to romney's management, it was to find ceos who would talk about how great a guy he was. you can't imagine a more ham-handed response. >>> coming up, the most thought-provoking must-read opinion pages of the year. and later, with what would lyndon? our interview with steven spielberg about his new film on the 16th president. we're back in a moment. oh it's clearance time! yeah, our low prices are even lower. we need to teach her how to walk. she is taking up valuable cart space. aren't you, honey? [ male announcer ] it's clearance time! up to 50% off seasonal decor. 50% off toys. apparel $3 to $9. walmart. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriag
and the romney campaign's response was not to find other workers who would attest to romney's management, it was to find ceos who would talk about how great a guy he was. you can't imagine a more ham-handed response. >>> coming up, the most thought-provoking must-read opinion pages of the year. and later, with what would lyndon? our interview with steven spielberg about his new film on the 16th president. we're back in a moment. oh it's clearance time! yeah, our low prices are even...
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romney ran that great campaign. i think he was, he's not a charismatic person. i think a charismatic republican would have won. i don't think we had a particularly great platform. i don't think we invited in the hispanics the way we should have. but, it'll be -- it'll change. next time, maybe we'll get a better candidate. but in the meantime, life goes on and little by little, our problems will get solved. >> and come election night, at least one of barack obama's problems was solved. best end for democrats to a long, troubled race, re-election. >> coming up, high rollers, honey boo-boo, and the prince who had no pants, when "all the best, all the worst" rolls on. have a good night. here you go. you, too. i'm going to dream about that steak. i'm going to dream about that tiramisu. what a night, huh? but, um, can the test drive be over now? head back to the dealership? [ male announcer ] it's practically yours. but we still need your signature. volkswagen sign then drive is back. and it's never been easier to get a passat. that's the power of german engineering.
romney ran that great campaign. i think he was, he's not a charismatic person. i think a charismatic republican would have won. i don't think we had a particularly great platform. i don't think we invited in the hispanics the way we should have. but, it'll be -- it'll change. next time, maybe we'll get a better candidate. but in the meantime, life goes on and little by little, our problems will get solved. >> and come election night, at least one of barack obama's problems was solved....
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romney destroyed him. but in that rhetoric, he sealed his fate in the general election with the latinos, who he got blown out and provided a huge margin in the swing states. >> that is a good point, my point is, of course, the anonymous video operator, who captured the 47%, which is why we happen to have the tape. why it happened to be ready. now, the best move of 2012. what was the best move of 2012? >> this is really hard, because some part of me as a political junky thinks the best move is the crazy thing. and for that, i would give it to mitt romney actually moving across the stage and grabbing rick perry, this kind of physical debate style he also had that revealed him to be crazy and not driven by the same things that most humans are driven by. but sort of the competitive work force bought. but i think at tend of the day e keep going back to the 47% -- >> it is everything. >> the release of that. and the timing of that changed the contours of the race, forever. >> and we don't really know who is resp
romney destroyed him. but in that rhetoric, he sealed his fate in the general election with the latinos, who he got blown out and provided a huge margin in the swing states. >> that is a good point, my point is, of course, the anonymous video operator, who captured the 47%, which is why we happen to have the tape. why it happened to be ready. now, the best move of 2012. what was the best move of 2012? >> this is really hard, because some part of me as a political junky thinks the...
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romney ran that great campaign. i think he was, he's not a charismatic person. i think a charismatic republican would have won. i don't think we had a particularly great platform. i don't think we invited in the hispanics the way we should have. but, it'll be -- it'll change. next time, maybe we'll get a better candidate. but in the meantime, life goes on and little by little, our problems will get solved. >> and come election night, at least one of barack obama's problems was solved. best end for democrats to a long, troubled race, re-election. >> coming up, high rollers, honey boo-boo, and the prince who had no pants, when "all the best, all the worst" rolls on. a? it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ it's going to be amazing. and exciting. and maybe, most remarkably, not that far away. we're going to wake the world up. and watch, with eyes wide, as it gets to work. cisco. tomorrow starts here. >>> in this year of big bets, quite a few high rollers grabbed headlines with their very bold
romney ran that great campaign. i think he was, he's not a charismatic person. i think a charismatic republican would have won. i don't think we had a particularly great platform. i don't think we invited in the hispanics the way we should have. but, it'll be -- it'll change. next time, maybe we'll get a better candidate. but in the meantime, life goes on and little by little, our problems will get solved. >> and come election night, at least one of barack obama's problems was solved....
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david: take a look at this quote about romney. quote he wanted to be president less than anyone i've met in my life. he had no desire to run. now that is from his son, tagg romney about his father. he said that governor romney had to be persuaded to run by his wife and tagg. so company, what do you think about this? do you believe it? adam: if tagg wants back in on the inheritance -- [laughter] shibani: what do you think? if that's the case, then everything worked out as it should have in the first place. well, i would beg that his son is probably not the best spokesman. david: i mean i don't think somebody runs for six years straight without wanting the job. adam: of course romney wanted to be president. david: we don't believe you tagg, sorry. well stuart may be out for christmas, but here's something that can get us all into the holiday spirit. take a listen. stuart: two of my beautiful granddaughters will be with us this christmas, abigail and paige are watching right now. this is for you. 'twas the night before christmas when
david: take a look at this quote about romney. quote he wanted to be president less than anyone i've met in my life. he had no desire to run. now that is from his son, tagg romney about his father. he said that governor romney had to be persuaded to run by his wife and tagg. so company, what do you think about this? do you believe it? adam: if tagg wants back in on the inheritance -- [laughter] shibani: what do you think? if that's the case, then everything worked out as it should have in the...
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win -- from the romney is size. and we were able to win. hundreds of millions of dollars were spent against democratic republican super pacs. there were democratic super pacs as well. the money was spent on their side. almost all of their targets, almost all the candidates lost. i do not think that money -- that put enormous pressure on the democrat -- democratic match it. it was more so in congressional races -- people gave less information and were more subject to being influenced by ads. we saw some races -- quite a bit of money was spent against bill foster. he won overwhelmingly. $6 million of super pac money was spent against him. tammy duckworth in her race -- she was still able to win. i do not think it is a healthy thing for the body politic to have people writing $10 million, $20 million, $30 million, $40 million checks. but it is a reality we may have to live with if we cannot change it. we should try and change it through whatever means are appropriate or available. the supreme court -- the supreme court changes over time, they
win -- from the romney is size. and we were able to win. hundreds of millions of dollars were spent against democratic republican super pacs. there were democratic super pacs as well. the money was spent on their side. almost all of their targets, almost all the candidates lost. i do not think that money -- that put enormous pressure on the democrat -- democratic match it. it was more so in congressional races -- people gave less information and were more subject to being influenced by ads. we...
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romney called his remarks completely wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flip side -- >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's dp day may have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. how many moems are there in an hour and a half? the president lost all of them in the first debate. the picture tells the story of a panicked man and providing an opening for romney. and finally, the top three moments of the election best described as history-making politics. >> a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care. if that doesn't strike you as political, consider what would have happened on the campaign trail if the high court had struck down the president's signature first-term achievement. >> at a certain point, i have concluded that for me personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same-sex couples should be able to get mar
romney called his remarks completely wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flip side -- >> he's going to be the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's dp day may have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. how many moems are there in an hour and a half? the president lost all of them in the first debate. the picture tells the story of a panicked...
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the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney had not. how many moments are there in an hour and a half. the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, panicking his supporters and providing an opening for romney. and finally, the top three moments of the election best described as history making politics. a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care and if that doesn't strike you as political, consider what would have happened on the campaign trail if the high court had struck down the president's signature first term achievement. >> at a certain point i've concluded that for me, personally, it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that i think same sex couples should be able to get married. >> the first president to endorse same sex marriage was a daily double moment. good politics aimed at an activist wing of his party base and history. and finally, the number one political moment of the year is easy during elections. >> cnn projects that barack
the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney had not. how many moments are there in an hour and a half. the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the story of a man who phoned it in, panicking his supporters and providing an opening for romney. and finally, the top three moments of the election best described as history making politics. a supreme court decision upholding the constitutionality of obama care and if that doesn't strike you as...
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basically what mitt romney was proposing. get that done. then say what you going to do? you going to still be left if you roll all of that up. you will still be left with a huge deficit. it's going to have to mean cutting the federal budget. >> even if we increase the tax rates, the top 1 percentn this country makes seven timbers of the income. 37 percent of the taxes. so a fair share argument really is it -- lou: you're getting a again start outhere. your last shot. >> mr. president, please, please work with the business community. we want you to succeed, but you're putting impediments in is next.nd make impossible. the thin line between video and reality, talking with a man who knows that line and exploits it to train our military, and he says some brutally violent video games can turn some kids int killers. colonnl dave grossman with us next. want to know what i did in the last five hou? i played a round of golf. then i read a book while teaching myself how to play guitar; ran ten miles while knitting myself a sweater; jumped out of a plane. finally, i became a ping p
basically what mitt romney was proposing. get that done. then say what you going to do? you going to still be left if you roll all of that up. you will still be left with a huge deficit. it's going to have to mean cutting the federal budget. >> even if we increase the tax rates, the top 1 percentn this country makes seven timbers of the income. 37 percent of the taxes. so a fair share argument really is it -- lou: you're getting a again start outhere. your last shot. >> mr....
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> romney ran on his impressive business credentials. but it was his multiple gaffes that analysts say helped seal his fate. remember the 47% comments? >> there are 47% who are with him who are dependent on government. >> oh, and this one. >> whole binders full of women. >> number six. ex-cia director general david petraeus. >> some breaking news now coming in regarding the chief of the cia. general david petraeus. >> general petraeus, can you talk about this, please? >> the news was unexpected. the reason shocking. petraeus, a retired four-star general, had quit his cia post and admitted he had cheated on his wife. petraeus' mistress was also his biographer paula broadwell. an embarrassing exit from the public stage by one of the most respected public servants of his time. >> an impressive list, huh? and that's only half of them. the most intriguing people of 2012 numbers five to one revealed after a quick break. my geico app...see? y ...i just uh paid my bill. did you really? from the plane? yeah, i can manage my policy, get roadside a
> romney ran on his impressive business credentials. but it was his multiple gaffes that analysts say helped seal his fate. remember the 47% comments? >> there are 47% who are with him who are dependent on government. >> oh, and this one. >> whole binders full of women. >> number six. ex-cia director general david petraeus. >> some breaking news now coming in regarding the chief of the cia. general david petraeus. >> general petraeus, can you talk about...
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in states that romney won. because of that. >> two words. they lost. . >> as a republican woman does that make you want to leave the stage? >> i think this is punishment. this is. as a woman i want to forget it and i want to say every old white man, go study a chart of a woman's reproductive system. >> or remember that fumble. >> the top fumble of 2012. come on now. >> let's see. >> there are 47% of the female who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% who with with him who believe that they are victims who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them who believe they are entitled to health care to food, to housing, to you name it. these are people that pay no income tax. so my job is not to worry about those people. >> he acts as a character witness against himself in this video. he compounded every stereotype in this campaign. in that one fumble clip. >> the only thing we can do here is play ne gingrich. we have to play the skewed media. four out of five fumbles were republican? i guess they were. >> tha
in states that romney won. because of that. >> two words. they lost. . >> as a republican woman does that make you want to leave the stage? >> i think this is punishment. this is. as a woman i want to forget it and i want to say every old white man, go study a chart of a woman's reproductive system. >> or remember that fumble. >> the top fumble of 2012. come on now. >> let's see. >> there are 47% of the female who will vote for the president no matter...
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will mitt romney ever reveal his true self via ring tone. newt gingrich's ring tone is dancing queen. i think that nobody's going to take a chance on newt gingrich. i could be wrong. can you hear what he is playing? this is dancing queen by abba. i paid for the dancing queen ring tone and i'm keeping it. good-bye, sir. we will miss you until you do it again in four years, if you can figure out how to make money off of it. i live for days like this in politics. easily the best new thing in my world today. best new thing in the world today. everybody's today's news best new thing in the world. best new thing in the world. there's a lot of them. hold on. we'll be right back. not many people want to be outside in unless they have to. only a few people by which i mean a few thousand people bundled up in their rain gear and headed out to grant park in chicago to cheer on veterans of the iraq war and the afghanistan war as the second city staged the second welcome home parade. to say welcome home to the soldiers. go chicago. there were marching ban
will mitt romney ever reveal his true self via ring tone. newt gingrich's ring tone is dancing queen. i think that nobody's going to take a chance on newt gingrich. i could be wrong. can you hear what he is playing? this is dancing queen by abba. i paid for the dancing queen ring tone and i'm keeping it. good-bye, sir. we will miss you until you do it again in four years, if you can figure out how to make money off of it. i live for days like this in politics. easily the best new thing in my...
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but my argument to you was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god month. ♪ can you hear me ♪ papa can you see me papa can you find me in the night ♪ ♪ papa are you near me papa can you hear me ♪ >> that's funny. >> you're wearing the same outfit. you just realized. >> that's very funny. >> what do you think when you see yourself from that era? that was from "yentl" in 1983. >> what do i think? >> yeah, when you look at yourself. >> i'm so objective when i look at myself when i'm directing a movie and i'm editing. it's always she, her, it's not me. like the character in the movie. >> do you see a beautiful woman there? >> not particularly. >> have you ever looked in the mirror and thought you looked beautiful? >> from certain angles. >> really? which is your best angle? >> well, my left. >> why? >> because my eyes don't look as cross-eyed sometimes. >> that's really what you feel? >> my mouth is better. yeah, i'm like two different people, i'm two sides, i think. >> let's take another clip from one of my favorite films. this is your fi
but my argument to you was i wondered whether mitt romney could be better for the american economy. >> god month. ♪ can you hear me ♪ papa can you see me papa can you find me in the night ♪ ♪ papa are you near me papa can you hear me ♪ >> that's funny. >> you're wearing the same outfit. you just realized. >> that's very funny. >> what do you think when you see yourself from that era? that was from "yentl" in 1983. >> what do i think?...
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romney? >> good luck tonight. really. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration? >> please proceed. can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of "the cycle" here on msnbc and jimmy williams is an msnbc contributor. come on, guys, when you see that, don't you just get nostalgic for the campaign. it's the talk of the 47%, free stuff, and the latest from tagg romney that apparently his dad never really wanted the job anyway, right? >> the clown car is so stuffed what mall aproposeisms and other stuff. we didn't know rick perry forgetting to name some -- and newt gingrich's press release and any number of comments from him. >> but there's more. let's take a look at what i'm going to call the most monumental piece of found that didn't make it into that montage. >> there are 47% of the people who wil
romney? >> good luck tonight. really. >> it was not a spontaneous demonstration? >> please proceed. can you say that a little louder, candy? >> he did call it an act of terror. >> it's our turn now. >> president obama has been re-elected for a second term. >> i just called president obama to congratulate him on his victory. >> blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. all right, so? >> good times. let's get right to our panel. toure is co-host of...
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will mitt romney ever reveal his true self via ring tone. newt gingrich's ring tone is dancing queen. i think that nobody's going to take a chance on newt gingrich. i could be wrong. can you hear what he is playing? this is dancing queen by abba. i paid for the dancing queen ring tone and i'm keeping it. good-bye, sir. we will miss you until you do it again in four years, if you can figure out how to make money off of it. i live for days like this in politics. easily the best new thing in my world today. best new thing in the world today. everybody's today's news best new thing in the world. best new thing in the world. there's a lot of them. hold on. we'll be right back. [ dylan ] this is one way to keep your underwear clean. this is another! ta-daa! try charmin ultra strong. it cleans so well and you can use up to four times less than the leading value brand. oh! there it is. thanks son. hey! [ female announcer ] charmin ultra strong has a duraclean texture that can help you get clean while still using less. and it's four times stronger ve
will mitt romney ever reveal his true self via ring tone. newt gingrich's ring tone is dancing queen. i think that nobody's going to take a chance on newt gingrich. i could be wrong. can you hear what he is playing? this is dancing queen by abba. i paid for the dancing queen ring tone and i'm keeping it. good-bye, sir. we will miss you until you do it again in four years, if you can figure out how to make money off of it. i live for days like this in politics. easily the best new thing in my...
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obama, romney, super pacs, dnc, rnc. $2 billion. to put it in perspective, that is literally more than the annual gdp of almost 30 countries in the world. we spent that on one election cycle. people in belize and liberia are shocked by this. $2 billion. how many individual people are turned off from politics by those kind of numbers. >> some people talk to chairs. >> some people -- clint eastwood, republican convention, made it okay to talk to your furniture. i've spoken to my couch, my end table on occasion. i clearly need friends besides coming on televig at 11:00 on saturday. i think we made it cool to have fun with your ferns and plants and furniture around the house. >> women love to read porn. >> yes, they do. they love to read porn, talking about "fifty shades of grey." sold over 40 million books. mostly women over 30 who like to read these sexually provocative books. men are waiting for the movie. we are more traditional. the way we like our porn, we like a visual. we men, internal. they read it and can picture things. i can
obama, romney, super pacs, dnc, rnc. $2 billion. to put it in perspective, that is literally more than the annual gdp of almost 30 countries in the world. we spent that on one election cycle. people in belize and liberia are shocked by this. $2 billion. how many individual people are turned off from politics by those kind of numbers. >> some people talk to chairs. >> some people -- clint eastwood, republican convention, made it okay to talk to your furniture. i've spoken to my...
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it could be the gop brand is being pulled down by mitt romney, or at least tag romney and what he said about he's recent comments. if we're talking about hand bren grenades, listen to this. he wanted to be president less than anyone i've met in my life. had he no desire to run. if key have found someone else to take his place, he would have been ecstatic to step aside. um, what are people supposed to make of that? especially for the millions of americans and those big donor that is came out in support of mitt romney and his candidacy and tag romney being a big advisor to that campaign itself, but now, eh, he didn't really want it. he didn't care. >> mitt romney was plotting his run for the presidency for at least seven years. i mean, you could go back even further if you look back at how he governed in massachusetts thinking getting health care through would be something that would help him vault to a national stage. you know, all of his positioning on the issues was all designed to get through a republican primary. he didn't want it, he could have stepped aside. there wasn't a whole,
it could be the gop brand is being pulled down by mitt romney, or at least tag romney and what he said about he's recent comments. if we're talking about hand bren grenades, listen to this. he wanted to be president less than anyone i've met in my life. had he no desire to run. if key have found someone else to take his place, he would have been ecstatic to step aside. um, what are people supposed to make of that? especially for the millions of americans and those big donor that is came out in...
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my favorite moment was mitt romney. i think it was the 47% speech because republicans do this, like, like when george bush had a word faux pas, i didn't care. we laughed because we were like he doesn't know words. when mitt romney did it, he was telling the truth. that was brilliant. republicans are good at turning horrible things -- if they have a bill to destroy the environment it's called -- >> save the earth. >> or something like that. romney was straight up like don't say anything about poor people, i hate poor people. i love the 47% speech. it shows what the republicans stand for. >> it was a clarifying moment. one of my favorite moments was during the vice president debate. i felt joe biden was doing the same thing. he was clarifying this is pure ridiculousness. we had to cut this down a little bit. let's watch vp biden during the vp debate. >> transition. but what we also want to do in spite of their opposition. >> oh, god. >> this idea came from the clinton -- >> the answer, please. >> did they -- this is a pla
my favorite moment was mitt romney. i think it was the 47% speech because republicans do this, like, like when george bush had a word faux pas, i didn't care. we laughed because we were like he doesn't know words. when mitt romney did it, he was telling the truth. that was brilliant. republicans are good at turning horrible things -- if they have a bill to destroy the environment it's called -- >> save the earth. >> or something like that. romney was straight up like don't say...
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and who can forget this one of romney posing at burrito restaurant. one employee sure looks surprised. this was the one heartwarming gabby giffords on the stage at the dnc. what a moment. and here's another classic. the picture of president obama posing with u.s. gymnast making the not-impressed-face. but the hour of "politics nation" family voted for this one the best. who can forget president obama getting a great big bear hug from a one-time republican pizza shop owner in florida. look at that. he says it's the best of the year. it shows how republicans can reach across the aisle. and shelly says i met the owner of the pizza shop. great guy. great pizza. we want to hear what you think, too. please head over to facebook and search "politics nation" and like us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. >>> just a short time ago, the president slammed congress for consistently taking us to the brink. >> the american people are watching what we do here. obviously, their patience is already thinned. this is deja vu all over aga
and who can forget this one of romney posing at burrito restaurant. one employee sure looks surprised. this was the one heartwarming gabby giffords on the stage at the dnc. what a moment. and here's another classic. the picture of president obama posing with u.s. gymnast making the not-impressed-face. but the hour of "politics nation" family voted for this one the best. who can forget president obama getting a great big bear hug from a one-time republican pizza shop owner in florida....
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two words from romney reverberated all the way to november. his issue was the plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who come here illegally won't be able to find work and will self-deport. >> the concept of self deportation was not by itself responsibility for romney's dismal showing by his panics, but it greased the skids. also a moment where romney wished to have a mulligan, there was this -- >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. there are 47% of people who are with him, who are depend upon the government, who think they're victims. >> romney calmed his remarks wrong. they also caused the deepest self-inflicted wound of the election. on the flipside -- >> the next vice president of the united states. >> romney's v.p. day may have been the best moment of his campaign. the selection of paul ryan excited conservatives in a way romney himself had not. how many moments are there in an hour and a half? the president lost all of them in the first debate. the pictures tell the
two words from romney reverberated all the way to november. his issue was the plan to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers. >> people who come here illegally won't be able to find work and will self-deport. >> the concept of self deportation was not by itself responsibility for romney's dismal showing by his panics, but it greased the skids. also a moment where romney wished to have a mulligan, there was this -- >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for...
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has romney been able to gain any traction? when you only focus on that tiny margin and get focused on double checking every hour, every day, you are missing the point of the polls. what i feel it is unfortunate is there is always a tendency to want to know the same thing but it has moved even more in that direction at the expense of looking at all of the interesting things polls can tell us. >> the election was really about fairness. republicans are not really learning that lesson into a certain extent. particularly on the and fairness issue. it is probably aggravating the problem. not just the 2% on taxation but the spending policies are out of whack. i know there was polling on income inequality. >> they do feel the economic system is unfair. the things that got them angry after the market crash was the bank bailout. things that are so extremely frustrating to people folks at the top did not seem to feel that -- the upper income percentile has largely escaped the harm and the folks of -- the burden has been carried by folks
has romney been able to gain any traction? when you only focus on that tiny margin and get focused on double checking every hour, every day, you are missing the point of the polls. what i feel it is unfortunate is there is always a tendency to want to know the same thing but it has moved even more in that direction at the expense of looking at all of the interesting things polls can tell us. >> the election was really about fairness. republicans are not really learning that lesson into a...
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dagen: what went wrong with the romney campaign? you will not believe what his son has to say about his father's reluctance to even run for president in the first place. dennis: plus, a dentist fires an assistant for being too attractive. the iowa supreme court rules it legal. will this spread? dagen: on this final shopping day before christmas, it's been a rough one this holiday season, stores don't seem that busy. dagen: merry christmas and it is all about stocks now and every 15 minutes even on christmas eve. nicole, stocks still in the red. nicole: that's right. we're seeing the dow right now at 13,142. that's a loss of about 1/3 of 1%. much like the s&p 500 and the tech heavy nasdaq composite, all three are pulling back a little bit, when you speak of the broader markets, though, when you look at the dow, we have been up four of the last five trading weeks. the trend has been to the upside. but still concerns now from washington about washington, about the fiscal cliff, traders of course don't think anything is getting settled
dagen: what went wrong with the romney campaign? you will not believe what his son has to say about his father's reluctance to even run for president in the first place. dennis: plus, a dentist fires an assistant for being too attractive. the iowa supreme court rules it legal. will this spread? dagen: on this final shopping day before christmas, it's been a rough one this holiday season, stores don't seem that busy. dagen: merry christmas and it is all about stocks now and every 15 minutes even...